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Poster: MindBendah Date: May 27, 2011 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Born This Way?

I think that the devotion to artists like Elvis, Sinatra, or The Beatles, etc. centers around aspects of their image more than just there music (not to discount their musical qualities). The Beatles had to stop touring because girls would scream the whole time and drown out the music. While they did produce some fine music solely in the studio, their fame was built by being huge commercial successes early in their career. Elvis became famous because he was a white guy that could sing like a black guy. Plenty of people in todays society know about Elvis, Sinatra, and The Beatles, but are completely unfamiliar with there music. Image is king in society, just think about celebrity worship, no talent hacks made famous for having a pretty face.

While I would contest that the Dead following was built on aspects beyond just their music, I would not say it was due to being a huge commercial success. My personal devotion to the Dead was found through the music, being too young to see the band live (Only 7 yrs when Jerry passed away). I knew "of" the Dead before I started listening to the music, but I did not have that preconceived societal notion of the Dead. The Beatles on the other hand, those preconceived societal notions of the band were ingrained in me from my childhood before I even started listening to their music.

I live for Dead music now. Never had Ive heard music that moves in the way that Dead music does. I cant come to a conclusion on if its me or the music, it just is...

Forever Grateful. Forever Dead.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: May 27, 2011 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Born This Way?

Very well said.

How many artists continue to produce new rabid fans 15+ years after they stopped performing? (yeah, I dont count any of the current Post-Jerry incarnations) Artists like Frand and Elvis ceratinly may be in this category, but are those converts "hard cores"? Maybe they are and I need to give them their props. But, as he said in the above post, are the new converts attracted to the music or the image?

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: May 27, 2011 9:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Born This Way?

Springsteen - say what you want about the boss and his music - but his fan base is just as fanatical about his live music - and there are many hard core fans willing to travel the world to see him perform - obviously not the Dead scene - but as close to fanatical a fan base as I can comapre to dead heads

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 27, 2011 9:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Born This Way?

Anyone been to a Pearl Jam show in the last 10 years? Very comparable to what the Dead had going sans the full on shakedown street experience outside (not always a plus in my book).

And I was sorry to find this was not a Lady Gaga thread...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: May 27, 2011 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Born This Way?

Pearl Jam and Sprinsteen are excellent examples.

But let's come back in, say 20 years and see what's going on with that fan base. I'm sure they'll still have devotees, but how many of them will have started "After the music stops"? Time will tell.

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Poster: ChefChappy Date: May 27, 2011 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Born This Way?

How about Jommy Buffet. His fans are pretty devout. And with buffet, its not just about the music, there is also a "scene" that goes along with it

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: May 27, 2011 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Born This Way?

I guess I'm going to throw out THE WHO ,they've had this resugence including the Super Bowl and soundtracks to commercials and multiple t.v.shows They still tour albeit w/o the same vigor of years ago. Personally it's time to hang up the Strat, adding to this out of 4 original players only 2 are left.
That in it's self bothers me.

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Poster: splue Date: May 27, 2011 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Born This Way?

jimmy buffett rocks but his shows r coasting

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Poster: splue Date: May 27, 2011 12:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hatched this way

lol >i meant costing--he is counting his $$$ all th way 2 margarityville

does nice finally thingy tho, vry nice solo, all alone 2

& an awesome backup singer who should spin-off because he probly pays her less than that old guy with all the bubbles on PBS paid people

the fins trance repition thingy is a bit brainwashy tho
&sry but i am not rly a big grasskirt aficinada, hides the legs

he could start a kewl restaraunt & call it Jimmys Buffet and T Room??? id go there!!!

watching whale wars whalathon 2day so i thot id tweet that 2--reminds me of a joke i cant rly tell on this forum because of all the religious implications
jeez i can hardly wait til L---TV uploads this whole season

hav a grt weekend gd people!!! :)

This post was modified by splue on 2011-05-27 19:25:37

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: May 27, 2011 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Born This Way?

Again, my point always drifts back to how the influence of the artists after they stopped performing inspires new fans, and not just your ordinary fan, but seething, all-or-nothing, yeah I want 58 versions of the same song kind of fan.

I guess it is all up to how you define "fan", and whether or not it is even possible to compare a Dead fan with anyone else. And what defines a true fan anyway? That is another discussion I suppose.

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Poster: splue Date: May 27, 2011 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: paste define? :)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 27, 2011 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Born This Way?

well I think a LARGE part of their continued sucess is also their HUGE influence. In the case of Elvis - hell yeah that's why he was famous because he brought black music to the masses. As controversial as Elvis was ( I know ridiculous by todays standards )ordinary white suburbans kids parents wouldn't have let them listen to the same music if played by black artists. Sad but true.

The Beatles - yeah they had charisma and a unique look and packaging, but they also had a lot of unique things going for them. Buddy Holly did it first but the Beatles were a group.

Sinatra - he's believable imo. Put him up with another crooner singing the same song and see who drives that one home. Plus even Miles Davis says he was influenced by his phrasing so what higher honor can you get than that?

So I dont know if this translates to the general public or is just marketing but every single one of these three artists changed music forever. They influenced a ton of artists that came behind them. Hell the Beatles made crazy Brian go off the deep end pretty much permanently.

I'd be inclined to put Hendrix in there too.

As for the Dead, as incredibly special as they are and as Bill Graham said about not understanding why more people don't take advantage of this medicine, they pretty much operated in a bubble to a large extent until their huge commercial success in the late 80's

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Poster: splue Date: May 27, 2011 10:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Born This Way?

u hafta interface with the dead---alot of the other groups its jus inurface?????

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 27, 2011 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Born This Way?

Welcome.

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